Curse

Bale_Shadowscar · Jun 21, 2006, 08:17 AM // 08:17

Yeah, I don't understand why Vets laugh at new players when they ask questions. I remember when I first got to ToA, and everyone was talking about FoW, and so I asked what it is. Although a lot of people just said 'Lol nub' etc I did get one person who told me all about it, favor etc. If people ask questions in general chat I always try to answer them.

As for giving away wepaons to n00bs, I wouldn't do it if they just came into the agme and were aksing for max weapons, but I have a Vokur's Chakram at the momenmt for example, and It's a shame to merch it...

Arkantos · Jun 21, 2006, 08:36 AM // 08:36

The only people I help are people in my old guild. All of us were pretty tight, always helping eachother. Helping newbs out is fine, but sadly most of them are beggars. I remember in yaks some warrior needed armor/weps, but couldnt afford it, so I lent him 2k. He never begged. He just said thank you and never bothered me again. I gave someone a worthless purple item and they never shutup. Since theres so many beggars, I dont take a chance anymore.

fb2000 · Jun 21, 2006, 08:46 AM // 08:46

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

A warrior can get by with a clean white sword and a clean white shield gotten while playing if they were so inclined. I did it and I'm sure many other people have too.

You don't need max weapons for any area. Sure it increases your effectiveness, but you don't need anything other than collector armor/shields/weapons...

I have a girl friend on my friendlist, met her on some mission and whisped with her a while after, and now we pretty much luuv each other

. thing is, she had beaten prophecies on 3 characters, actually plays pve quite good, and didnt even know upgrades exist.

psion · Jun 21, 2006, 09:30 AM // 09:30

The general problem in new players are the sheer amount of beggars that are among them. People who can't be bothered to spend time to read up, so they can help themselves, are expecting people to help them for free?

If you cannot afford 15k armor, get collectors/1.5k armor. They are of the same AL. When i started out, it was all collectors for me. head to toe. weapons and shields. Yeah, it was not maxxed. But its enough for someone who started with 0 gold.

In Chapter 1, the collectors in the area you are in gives you armor/weapons that is just nice for that area, not too weak, not too strong. Desert onwards gives maxxed armor/weapons.

In Chapter 2, you have monastery credits to exchange weapons, high xp / gold rewards.

The thing that kills that monster is not your blade, nor your bow. It is the skills that you use.

The thing that saves your life is not the piece of metal on you, but the strategy/skills that you employ to gain every advantage you can have.

A warrior can have max armor, but he'll still die easily when he doesn't control his aggro. He can have a perfect blade, but he can't kill if he can't bring out the power of his skills. This is why GW is so fun. Having uber weapon/armor does not make you invincible, you actually have to use some brains.

However though, GW manuals lacks these information and it is hard to find it in-game, which makes it tough for new players. And most of them probably had bad experiences asking in local chat as they most probably got laughed at by other new players.

A mentor system will help, but how effective will it be? It will still be relying on the mentor instead of self, i feel. It would be the best to teach him how to learn, so he can learn the world for himself. Spoon-feeding information all the time isn't the way to go. In-game npcs should provide information that cannot be found on manuals, example, hints on locations of where certain collectors are for armor/weapons.

CorstedPirate · Jun 21, 2006, 10:02 AM // 10:02

I started playing in September. The game had been out long enough that I couldn't ask any questions in all chat. I quickly learned my lesson that doing so would only get me insulted in PMs and all chat. So, I figured out some of the basics myself. I used the internet and looked things up. No one gave me anything.

The only help I got was from a friend that I made after getting to Kryta. He actually answered my questions and would occasionally come help me while we chatted. When I got to the desert he was the only person I thought to ask "how do I get across that ledge, it's impassable and there's no way around" he responded by telling me how to use the teleporters.

He never gave me anything other than advice and 1 run. I told him I had made a monk and he said, ok lets get that monk to Yaks. So, since I had made it to Nolani he started there and killed everything on the way so that I could get exp. I just had to stay out of the way and keep a couple enchants on him. Shortly after that I made a mistake and went without my computer for 3 weeks! I haven't seen him online since then and it was way back in the middle of December. I worked so hard to get my monk really going so I could use it to help him. My monk became my main character even, and I still haven't been able to repay him for the help he gave me by just answering questions.

Moral of my little story is that my MIA friend helped me more by answering my questions than anything else. Giving new people items will just make them think the game is easy and they are a great player. I made a mistake with helping my bf too much, and now everytime we quest together I wish he was a better player. I feel ashamed that it is my own fault that I want to scream stupid n00b at my boy friend, lol. Of course I am working on correcting my error, but it takes so much more work than doing it right the first time.

Selket · Jun 21, 2006, 10:11 AM // 10:11

I remember when I used to farm things like hydras and griffons w/ a 55 monk and sometimes I'd give away free clean max damage items in Ascalon (back when max damage items still were like 500g-5k). People would litterally yell and scream at me whenever I didn't have an item for them. One person tradespammed me and insulted me repeatidly because I wasn't giving out runes and then called me a scammer. lole?

Zubie · Jun 21, 2006, 10:21 AM // 10:21

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Originally Posted by The Real Roy Keane

What about the teenagers who work ten hours a day?

That still leaves 14 hours in the day doesnt it

BTW really sorry to hear about you retirement

Snowman · Jun 21, 2006, 10:37 AM // 10:37

There is a FINE balance!

I always remember this biblical proverb..

"You can feed a hungry man, but he will soon grow hungry again! If you teach that man how to fish, he will never grow hungry"

I dont have any problem with giving new players good items because often it does give them the needed motivation. But giving gold away.. yea, I never do that.

NoChance · Jun 21, 2006, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

maybe create an master - apprentice system were an advanced player would be able to take a newbie under his wing to train in certain dangerous places. that would be fun...

When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master.

Vincaro · Jun 21, 2006, 02:09 PM // 14:09

Uh... I started a new guild yesterday with that intent. Sort of a training guild for new players Going to post info in a thread in the Guild Discussion section.

mqstout · Jun 21, 2006, 03:12 PM // 15:12

"GW is a very hard game to understand and I think 80% of everyone who plays it never really takes the time to really learn it."

This is especially true in Factions, where you are given no time or opportunity to sit back and learn it. Your eyes are assaulted with uncountable skill icons and information quickly, without time to "get into" the game.

Viruzzz · Jun 21, 2006, 03:52 PM // 15:52

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

GW is a very hard game to understand and I think 80% of everyone who plays it never really takes the time to really learn it. its probably only a small fraction of people who actually use forums and learn about damage calculations and advanced builds.

wtf
those 3 letters, and what they stand for describes my feeling on the qouted text. it makes absolutely no sense.
first of all: Guildwars is a very cimple game, it is not hard to understand, and by understand i don't mean be able to look at statistics and predict the outcome of something.
more armor reduces damage
higher numbers make the red bars go down more than low numbers
loosing health is bad.
healing is good.
seriously, if you can patch the above together, you can play guild wars.

also, damage calculations?? who uses those? i don't have time to calculate what my attack is going to do in the 1.33 seconds it takes for me to swing, and i don't need to, cause i know from experience, as i have swung my weapon at enemies a few hundred thousand times before

and about the apprentice-master thing, you don't have to make an ingame system for people to help someone else, it is completely possible with whaats there now, if you need to motivate people to help, then i don't think its worth it.
the "i only help if i get something in return"-mentality is not something you want to bring forward, then people wont help because they want to

wsmcasey · Jun 21, 2006, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Nivryx

i find guildwars rather simple. seems like FPS games are more complex

Wow, FPS don't even come close to the complexity of organized PvP in Guild Wars. Maybe your talking about PvE, but even the end missions and elite missions can be difficult and require team work and planning ahead. PFS do require some team work, yes, but basically you have a gun and shoot stuff. How is that complex?

I compare Guild Wars with playing a game of Chess. It requires strategy and preparation if you want to beat your opponent.

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Originally Posted by Viruzzz

first of all: Guildwars is a very cimple game, it is not hard to understand, and by understand i don't mean be able to look at statistics and predict the outcome of something.
more armor reduces damage
higher numbers make the red bars go down more than low numbers
loosing health is bad.
healing is good.
seriously, if you can patch the above together, you can play guild wars.

also, damage calculations?? who uses those? i don't have time to calculate what my attack is going to do in the 1.33 seconds it takes for me to swing, and i don't need to, cause i know from experience, as i have swung my weapon at enemies a few hundred thousand times before

And here is an example of separating the men from the boys. Damage calculations? I use those. I take the time to calculate what my attacks will do, and I've learned from experience that knowledge is power over others. Take the time to learn your build and the build of your opponents and you are a relentless force to recond with. Seriously your comment sounds like the mentality of a wamo. "lose health bad, heal good, I swing weapon at enemy, me kill stuff.

To the original poster.

I don't give hand outs unless I know the person. Even then I prefer to tell them or show them how to do something vs. just giving things away. There are givers and takers in life, the takers will always abuse the good intentions of the givers. If if makes you happy being a giver, thats fine, then GIVE! Just don't be a giver that expects something in return, because you will usually be disappointed.

Phrozenflame · Jun 21, 2006, 04:43 PM // 16:43

I didnt need any help, its all in the game, I just cared to read all the information thrown at me by NPCs and the Game.

Former Ruling · Jun 21, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57

Yesterday, something happened.

I went to Loin's Arch (coming over from Cantha), and I see someone say "Price Check on Bow Grip of Enchanting 20%" - so I PM him. He says back "THANKS! I'm been asking that all day"

Now thats pitiful...noone can slow down just to answer a simple question.

Markaedw · Jun 21, 2006, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by Bale_Shadowscar

As for giving away wepaons to n00bs, I wouldn't do it if they just came into the agme and were aksing for max weapons, but I have a Vokur's Chakram at the momenmt for example, and It's a shame to merch it...

I'll be starting up a n00b mes soon does that count

mqstout · Jun 21, 2006, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

YI see someone say "Price Check on Bow Grip of Enchanting 20%" - so I PM him. He says back "THANKS! I'm been asking that all day"

Now thats pitiful...noone can slow down just to answer a simple question.

Doing a price check is the pitiful part. Just play the game. Pay/charge what you can afford and feel is right/whatever they'll pay.

Fyre Brand · Jun 21, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14

@Former Ruling ~ Thanks for the great posts. You are one of the few people who've posted here that:
1. read the original post and responded to it.
2. had a sensible outlook.

Really some of the people who posted here have to be some of the most inconsiderate people and you didn't even read the OP. Lawnmower is talking about a friend who was discouraged because he needed some help.

@mgstout ~ i'll pay you 5k for that perfect fellblade. glad you didn't PC that first.

I just can't believe how the community greets and deals with new members coming to play. Yes there are scammers, but that doesn't have to rule the mindset of how we meet and greet new people. If I have a friend that joins the game I am going give them a few goodies to help them out. I am going to spend some time in early missions with a newbie character of my own so they can get the feel of the game and learn how to build skill sets of their own.

You know the only thing worse than a scammer is an experienced player with a snotty elitest condescending attitude towards new community members. Again I applaud Former Ruling on his insightful and genuine attitude. There is one person who hasn't forgotten where he's come from. Thanks Former! Many here could take a lesson in humanity from you.

Vincaro · Jun 21, 2006, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by Bale_Shadowscar

Yeah, I don't understand why Vets laugh at new players when they ask questions. I remember when I first got to ToA, and everyone was talking about FoW, and so I asked what it is. Although a lot of people just said 'Lol nub' etc I did get one person who told me all about it, favor etc. If people ask questions in general chat I always try to answer them.

As for giving away wepaons to n00bs, I wouldn't do it if they just came into the agme and were aksing for max weapons, but I have a Vokur's Chakram at the momenmt for example, and It's a shame to merch it...

It's usually not the vets that laugh but the full of themselves slightly experienced... The vets are the ones that do answer.

I know there are some things I still don't know and I'm not a perfect player. But I play all classes but mesmer and have done just about every quest out there, most multiple times. I try to pass on what I know when I can.

wsmcasey · Jun 21, 2006, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by Fyre Brand

@Former Ruling ~ Thanks for the great posts. You are one of the few people who've posted here that:
1. read the original post and responded to it.
2. had a sensible outlook.

You know the only thing worse than a scammer is an experienced player with a snotty elitest condescending attitude towards new community members.

Giving stuff away for free and taking the time to answer a price check are two entirely different things. The price check that was given is an example of a person providing "INFORMATION" that actually helps the new person. Taking a newbie under your wing and helping him in mission and quests is perfectly OKAY!

I've played Guild Wars from the beginning, and I never begged for anything. My first time thru the game I basically used white/blue/purple items of what ever I could find on my own or could afford to trade with the gold that I earned on my own. The only thing worse than a scammer and a snotty elitist condescending person is a moocher that sucks off the good intentions of others.

I commented on the original post, and so did others in this thread. Not to say that there aren't good people out there worth helping, there certainly are. But 9 times out of 10 if the people are asking for free money and weapons, they aren't looking to be your friend, they're looking for a meal ticket. Now this new guy was in the same guild, and its a different sitiuation from the way the post reads, because the new guildy didn't directly ask for a hand out, it was given to him as a gift. There's a difference. I personally don't appreciate it when you imply that the other posters dont have a sensible outlook. Is that because our outlook differs from your own? That might lead me to believe that you are the one with the snotty elitest condescending attitude. But hey, I don't know you.